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Posted by Dr. Manzer Durrani in History on August 10th, 2012
An important article. Liaqat Ali Khan has been sought to be demonized
by some quarters. He was a man of great integrity. And his patriotism
was beyond question. It is his death which screwed up politics in
Pakistan, for which we have paid dearly, and shall continue to pay.Declassified Papers Shed Light on US Role in Liaquat’s Murder
Syed Rashid Husain, Arab NewsALKHOBAR, 18 July 2006 — Oil, Iran and air bases, seem to be issues ofrecent times. Not indeed. It was some 55 years back that these issues
were very much in play and a recently declassified document indicates
that these were the reasons behind the assassination of Liaquat Ali
Khan, Pakistan’s first prime minister on Oct. 16, 1951.Like a number of other high-profile killings, the assassination of
Liaquat Ali Khan, has also remained a mystery. Conspiracy theories
abound, yet are difficult to substantiate.A recent declassified document from the US State Department brings to
light some interesting facts. According to the document, a telegram
was sent by the American Embassy in New Delhi on Oct. 30, 1951.“Is Liaquat Ali Khan’s assassination a result of a deep-laid American
conspiracy?” The telegram from the US Embassy in New Delhi carried the
summary of an article published in the Urdu daily of Bhopal, “Nadeem”
on Oct. 24, 1951, charging the US with the responsibility of Khan’sdeath.
The summary then points to the facts raised in the Nadeem article, “It
was neither a local incident nor connected with the Pashtoonistan
movement (as some may have believed then). It had behind it a
deep-rooted conspiracy and recognizable hand.”The article then says that the then Afghan government “knew about the
conspiracy and the assassin was an Afghan, yet, the plot was hatched
neither in Kabul nor in Karachi (the then capital of Pakistan).”The declassified document reveals that the day before assassination,
the secretary to the American ambassador in Karachi absent-mindedly
jotted down “holiday” for Oct. 19 in a table diary and then
immediately struck it off.Following the secretary’s departure, Mohammad Hussain, a Pakistani
employee at the American Embassy in Karachi asked the secretary’s
British clerk about the holiday. The clerk described it as a possible
slip. “Mistake meaningful,” however, because “the secretary knew the
embassy would be closed (on) Oct. 17 (sic) although no American or
Pakistani holiday was scheduled then to fall that day.The story in Nadeem then points to another fact, as given in the
declassified document. The American ambassador (in Karachi) offered
condolences to Liaquat’s wife (Raana Liaquat Ali Khan) on the phone,
some three and a half minutes before even the Governor General of
Pakistan Khawaja Nazimuddin managed to offer his condolences. This was
despite the fact that the governor general was the first to be
informed (of the killing) by the Rawalpindi authorities. Indeed with
no mobile connection, no live transmissions, even no TV, those were
different days and the flow of information was much slower than today.
The question that the newspaper article thus tried to raise was how
did the American ambassador come to know of the assassination before
the governor general of Pakistan found out?The newspaper article, as summarized by the declassified US document,
then discusses the possible reason for the disenchantment of the US
and the UK governments with the Pakistan prime minister and his
government. Liaquat was not ready to toe the US line, the newspaper
pointed out and hence the US wanted him eliminated.“While the UK was pressing Pakistan for support on the issue of Iran,
the US demanded Pakistan use its influence in Tehran and persuade it
to transfer control of its oil fields to the US (oil apparently has
remained a major issue with the Americans ever since, especially while
Mohammad Mosaddeq was in power in Tehran then).According to the article, Liaquat Ali Khan declined to accede to the
request. “The US then threatened to annul the secret pact on Kashmir
(between Pakistan and the US). Liaquat replied that Pakistan has
annexed half of Kashmir without American support and would be able to
take the other half too.” Not only that, Prime Minister Liaquat Ali
Khan also demanded that the US vacate air bases in Pakistan.“Liaquat’s demand was a bombshell for Washington. Americans who had
been dreaming of conquering Soviet Russia from Pakistan air bases were
flabbergasted,” the article emphasized. And hence the plot to kill
Liaquat was hatched, says the article.However, “the US wanted a Muslim assassin, so as to obviate
international complications. The US could not find a traitor in
Pakistan (apparently for the reason that the new country was then
brimming with nationalistic pride and hope for future),” the article
added.The US then turned to Kabul. “Washington contacted the US Embassy in
Kabul. They in turn got in touch with Pashtoonistan leaders, pointing
to Liaquat as their only hurdle and assuring them that if some of them
could kill Liaquat, the US would undertake the task of establishing
Pashtoonistan by 1952.”At this the “Pashtoon leaders induced Akbar to take the job and also
made arrangements for him to be killed immediately after so as to
conceal the conspiracy. The Pakistani currency recovered from the
assassin’s body also reveal that others were also involved. Due to
already strained relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan no
currency exchange was then taking place between the two countries.
Hence only the “American Embassy (in Kabul) could have supplied the
Pakistani currency notes to the assassin,” the summary argued.The article also mentioned that the cartridges recovered from the body
of the assassinated Pakistani premier were US made. The type of bullet
used to kill the Pakistani prime minister were in “use by high-ranking
American officers”, and were “not usually available in the market”.
The rest is for us to deduce.The article then summarized that all these facts prove that the real
culprit behind the killing was the US, which had committed similar
acts in the Middle East as well.There are many parallels between then and now. And all this could not
be just a matter of chance. Oil, assassinations, dollars, Iran, air
bases, all these sound familiar even today. Fifty years have passed,
yet things may not have really changed.باغِ بہشت سے مجھے حکمِ سفر دیا تھا کیوں
کارِجہاں دراز ہے،اب میراانتظار کر !!!
Posted by Dr. Manzer Durrani in History on June 2nd, 2012
Fire devours Ferozsons
All Pakistanis at home and abroad will share the loss of Ferozsons, Pakistan’s historical landmark bookstore and a national treasure. Pakistanis from all corners of country, who came to study at the numerous colleges and universities of Lahore remember, Ferozsons, as not only a temple of knowledge, but, also a solace for kindred spirits, who shared one common interest in love of books. They quietly read the thousands of books from all corners of the world. In this temple of knowledge, there were all friends and no enemies. Quietly, they gleaned through the pages, which took them from the annals of philosophy to the syllogisms of logic. Ferozsons guided us through our history as people and connected us to our heritage as Muslims. It took us from the verses of Allama Iqbal to quatrains of Percy Bysshe Shelley. But, most of all, it gave us our place in the Family of Man.
LAHORE STAFF REPORT Ferozsons was established in 1894 by Maulvi Ferozuddin Khan and since then, the publishing house and book store have earned a place as the most reputed in the industry. The books and literary material sold through Freozsons were touted as a source of spreading literacy and education among the masses of the sub-continent. As Wednesday’s fire gutted the beloved book store, Tweets poured in from around the country, expressing unhappiness over what many said ‘was the end of an era’. Sara Taseer: “Terribly sad to hear about #Ferozsons. Childhood days spent choosing my birthday prez’s from the wealth of books, a Lahore institution.” Fifi Haroon: “Just learnt abt #Ferozsons fire incident.what an utter tragedy 🙁 all lovely childhood memories,ladybird series n EnidBlyton.” Beena Sarwar: “Fire at the #Ferozsons bookstore such an integral part of #Lahore. It has left the store gutted and book lovers bereft.” Mohammed Hanif: “The best place in Lahore. “@sepoy: This is devastating news. Ferozsons, Lahore was more a dream-factory than a bookstore.” Farahnaz Ispahani: “Very sad. MT @mssolidarity: #Ferozesons an old bookshop in Lahore gutted from fire. For every book lover a sad ending.”
STAFF REPORT
Thursday, 31 May 2012 12:05 pm
LAHORE – Books, furniture and other material worth millions of rupees were reduced to ashes when fire broke out in the premises of Ferozsons at The Mall on Wednesday. No casualties were reported as a result of the incident. Rescue operations were carried out by 15 fire brigade and Rescue 1122 vehicles. A spokesman of Rescue 1122 said the cause or the source from where the fire started could not be ascertained immediately. The owners, who suffered multi-million rupee losses, suspect arson behind the incident as the fire had erupted during load shedding hours and the store did not maintain any urgent power supply or a backup electricity generator. Witnesses said traders in nearby shops were first alerted to the fire by the smoke coming out of the book shop’s windows. They said Rescue 1122 and fire brigade teams were alerted immediately and that they reached the scene within an hour. However, it took the rescue teams over three hours to completely overcome the fire, by which time, most of the books inside the store had been gutted. Shopkeepers from the area said they rushed to the book store to help the store’s employees escape from the burning building as well as to carry out as many books as they could. They stated that the fire had destroyed a large number of books and that putting it out seemed to be an uphill task for the firemen. “The amount of smoke coming out of the building hinted at massive damage even before the rescue officials put out the fire,” said Sajjad Malik, a local trader. Another shopkeeper, Mian Imran, said the traders feared that the fire would spread to other shops, but that the firemen put it out in time. Rescue officials also said the extent of the damage to the store could only be determined after taking a detailed inventory of the books destroyed. Traders in the area said the lack of fire extinguishers in shops increased the risk of huge losses resulting from fires that could not be controlled in time. Traffic was also disrupted as a result of the fire and the subsequent efforts to put it out. Many commuters complained of being stranded during the intense afternoon heat on The Mall as the traffic wardens moved vehicles out of the way of the rescue vehicles and said better traffic management could have reduced the time it took for rescue vehicles to reach the scene
Ferozsons remembered
LAHORE STAFF REPORT Ferozsons was established in 1894 by Maulvi Ferozuddin Khan and since then, the publishing house and book store have earned a place as the most reputed in the industry. The books and literary material sold through Freozsons were touted as a source of spreading literacy and education among the masses of the sub-continent. As Wednesday’s fire gutted the beloved book store, Tweets poured in from around the country, expressing unhappiness over what many said ‘was the end of an era’. Sara Taseer: “Terribly sad to hear about #Ferozsons. Childhood days spent choosing my birthday prez’s from the wealth of books, a Lahore institution.” Fifi Haroon: “Just learnt abt #Ferozsons fire incident.what an utter tragedy 🙁 all lovely childhood memories,ladybird series n EnidBlyton.” Beena Sarwar: “Fire at the #Ferozsons bookstore such an integral part of #Lahore. It has left the store gutted and book lovers bereft.” Mohammed Hanif: “The best place in Lahore. “@sepoy: This is devastating news. Ferozsons, Lahore was more a dream-factory than a bookstore.” Farahnaz Ispahani: “Very sad. MT @mssolidarity: #Ferozesons an old bookshop in Lahore gutted from fire. For every book. lover a sad ending.”
Posted by Dr. Manzer Durrani in History on May 6th, 2012
Higher poverty in BalochistanBy Syed Fazl-e-Haider
Conflict in Balochistan among other reasons also highlights its ‘poverty’. The ongoing military operation is pushing more and more people towards below-poverty line, says a report of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP).
The HRCP’s January 22 report reveals how natural resources turn out to be a matter of threat and survival for the people who own them. The incidence of poverty is higher here than any other province, despite the fact that it is endowed with rich reserves of gas, oil, coal, gold and copper. “Misguided obsession with the state’s version of development while children are not able to go to school because of ongoing confrontation, will undermine development itself,” the commission has warned.
Poverty is a multi-dimensional concept rather than simple income (consumption) deprivation. Any single measure of poverty, such as head-count ratio based on specific ‘poverty line’ does not fully capture all its dimensions and does not reflect the real causes of wider human sufferings.
‘Poverty of opportunity’ index, a composite of deprivation in three vital dimensions— health, education and income— is quite useful in this regard. In case of Balochistan, any single measure indicates that it is the poorest province.
Only 20 per cent of its people have an access to safe drinking water compared to 86 per cent in the rest of Pakistan. Village electrification is only 25 per cent compared to 75 per cent in the rest of the country. Infant mortality rate per 1,000 people is 108 as against national rate of 100. The situation of basic amenities and access to education is also far below the ratio of other provinces.
Presently, the poor are recovering from the devastating drought that plagued the province for the last five years. The groundwater is depleting rapidly. Only six per cent of the land is cultivable and productivity is low because of the arid conditions.
The predominantly patriarchal social structures are a traditional challenge to human development and gender equity. The rugged and inaccessible terrain, limited water resources for irrigation, large illiterate population, ethnic diversity and traditional women’s status are added challenges to economic growth and human development.
To quote Mir Khuda Bakhsh, a clan elder of the Marri tribe in Kohlu, who told newsmen that the motive of the military action is to capture oil and gas resources of the area. According to him, the local people ask, what benefits the exploitation of power resources in Dera Bugti has brought to their lives in the past 50 years? They still burn wood for fuel purpose and live like nomads.
Then, how would the exploitation of mineral riches from Kohlu benefit the local population in the future? Whereas the Sui gas brought an industrial revolution in Pakistan, Balochistan still lacks an industrial base which is the single biggest cause of unemployment in the province..
Though the natural gas was discovered in Balochistan in 1952, its many districts remain deprived of gas transmission facility. It was only in 1976 that the province got its first liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) in Quetta. Later, gas through pipelines was made available in that city.
Even Sui in Bugti tribal area, which houses the gas plant, does not have piped gas connections in most cases. District Ziarat got piped gas connections only last year after several protests from environmentalists and NGOs lamenting the fact that that the local population was still using wood from Juniper forests.
Sui gas field in Bugti tribal area meets approximately 45 per cent of the country’s total gas production. The Pakistan Petroleum Ltd (PPL) is producing 720-750 million cubic feet of gas per day from its 80 plus wells in the field. The gas reserves discovered were to the tune of 9.625 trillion cubic feet.
According to an estimate, the province produces natural gas worth Rs85 billion annually but gets Rs7 billion only as royalty from the federal government.
The 12.5 per cent royalty fixed for gas drawn from the field area is based on “wellhead value”, which is much below market value received by other gas fields in other provinces.
Sui gas field is the single largest source of energy supply for different industries, power generation, agriculture, commerce and household use in the country. This gas is also used for manufacturing fertilizer and other chemicals and is a vital source of huge foreign exchange savings as the same would have been spent on the import of energy had the gas reserves not been discovered. Unfortunately, the province has been deprived of its due share in terms of royalty and economic benefits.
Balochistan remains almost voiceless, having no say in the decision- making process at the centre. Its over 50 per cent population subsists below the poverty line.Income-based inequities in human development need to be addressed.
During FY 2000-2001, only 9.2 per cent of the total Khushhal Pakistan programme budget had been allocated to the province compared to 16.2 per cent for the NWFP, 19.7 per cent for Sindh, and 48.9 per cent for Punjab. During the first year of the programme, utilization as a percentage of the budgeted amount was the lowest for the province at 2.8 per cent compared to 7.7 per cent in NWFP, 8.2 per cent in Sindh, and 19 per cent in Punjab.
In the FY 2004, the federal contribution to the provincial development programmes was 56 per cent for NWFP, 28 per cent for Punjab, 19 per cent for Sindh and only eight per cent for Balochistan. The share allocated in foreign project assistance (FPA) to Punjab was 53 per cent, NWFP 29 per cent, Sindh 12 per cent and again only six per cent for Balochistan.
As provided in the 1973 Constitution, the concurrent list of subjects was to be reviewed after 10 years in 1983. This has not been done even after a lapse of 31 years.
Balochistan’s financial position is so weak that sometimes the provincial government seems to be merely a salary distribution-agency instead of a federating unit.
Frequently there arises a problem of shortfall of revenue and the provincial chief executive warns of stopping payment of salaries to government employees. The province generates a revenue of Rs1.622 billion, apparently just enough to pay the monthly salaries of its officials. A grant of Rs27 billion is received from the federal government and has a deficit of Rs15.5 billion.
The over centralisation and arbitrary nature of decision-making has been the potent reason behind Balochistan-Centre row. Allocation of funds for the development in the province remain at the discretion of the economic planners in Islamabad. It is also because of the dominance of central authorities in the National Finance Commission that the province feels a stranglehold of the centre over its natural resources.
A simmering insurgency has continued in Balochistan over the last three decades. But, since the early 1970s there had been no open armed conflict between the government and the Baloch tribes. In early 2000, tension rose but in the beginning of 2005, it turned pretty sour.
A multi-factor approach must be adopted vis-a-vis sharing of resources among the provinces, instead of a ‘population-alone’ basis. In the next NFC Award, the weightage for revenue, poverty and area should be given so that it deny a fair share to any province.
Posted by Dr. Manzer Durrani in History on May 6th, 2012
Dil ki gaharayio mein chupa dard bhi bhar jayega,
Aasuo ka sailaab bhi kabhi sukh jayega
Ye khamoshiyon ka kohra bhi haat jayega
Iss Dil ke rone ki aahat bhi tham jayegi
Bas Waqt hai, ye bhi guzar jayega….
Hassi ki khidakiya aakhir kab tak bandh rahengi
Muskaan ki aandhi, usse kabhi to khol hi dengi
Gum ka saaya aakhir kab tak rahega
Khushiyo ki dhoop se usse kabhi to takrana hi hoga
Bas Waqt hai, ye bhi guzar jayega…..
Sapne tutkar, phir naye boon jayenge
Bhule hue raaste phir yaad aa jayenge
Phir ek nayi roshni bhara din bhi aayega
Dhire dhire ye dil bhi jeena sikh jayega
Bas Waqt hai, ye bhi guzar jayega…..
Contribution: Monali Churi
Posted by Dr. Manzer Durrani in History on April 9th, 2012
Please Read the comments below and say a silent prayer in memory of brave soldiers of Pakistan and Indian Army, who have died fighting for this icy wasteland.
The disputed Siachen glacier, where an avalanche hit early Saturday, is billed as the world’s highest combat zone, but atrocious weather conditions have claimed more lives than actual fighting.
The 77-kilometre-long glacier traverses the Line of Control, the de facto border separating Indian- and Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, at a height of over 6,300 metres.
Combat between the nuclear-armed foes has claimed few lives but frostbite, avalanches and driving blizzards, which can sweep men into crevasses, are deadly for the thousands of soldiers deployed there.
Winter temperatures plummet to minus 70 degrees Celsius with blizzards gusting at speeds of 160 kilometres per hour.
India in 1984 occupied the key areas on the glacier, including the heights, and Pakistan immediately responded by deploying its own forces. They fought a fierce battle in 1987, raising fears of all-out conflict.
New Delhi says it cannot withdraw its troops from the glacier until Islamabad recognises its troop positions, fearing Pakistan will move its soldiers forward in the event of an Indian pull-out.
Experts have said there are some Indian 5,000 troops on the glacier while Pakistan has less than half that number, but there are no recent estimates.
Islamabad says the presence of Indians on the glacier threatens a strategic Sino-Pakistani highway (Karakoram Hihway) located 180 kilometres away.
Early on Saturday, an avalanche smashed into a remote Pakistan army camp on the glacier, burying alive at least 100 soldiers. Troops were frantically trying to find signs of life in the deep snow.
Most of the time on Siachen, the bad weather prevents any troop movement and despite the heavy deployment, clashes are generally low-level skirmishes involving a few dozen troops.
Since both sides deployed troops on Siachen, casualties from sporadic clashes have not exceeded 150 on either side.
Maintaining a military presence on remote Siachen exerts a heavy financial toll.
India reportedly spends more than 40 million rupees daily on its Siachen deployment — a figure that does not include additional wages and bonuses.
All Indian soldiers who complete a tour of duty on the glacier are awarded the “Siachen Pin” as a mark of fortitude.
The Kashmir region — of which Siachen is a part — is divided between Pakistan and India and is claimed by both in full. It has triggered two of the three wars between the neighbours since 1947.
Siachen is close to four of the world’s 14 peaks over 8,000 metres — K2, Broad Peak, Gasherbrum I and Gasherbrum II — all of which are on the Pakistani side of the frontline.
COMMENTS
In these comments the common bond of humanity between Indians and Pakistanis
shows-up
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. BINU RAVINDRAN April 8, 2012 7:36 pm My deepest condolences to the families of the soldiers and my brothers and sisters in Pakistan. The world has changed. There is no room for hatred. We should start working together for the betterment of our people and for the economic growth of both countries.
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. Nasra Zaheer April 8, 2012 6:21 pm Shame on authorities of both countries to keep fighting for nothing without realising that these are the days of global warming,, many glaciers are moving and mountains are losing snow ,poor soldiers keep dying but there is no outcome of the loss of so much life on both sides ,I wish they promote good relationship between the countries and sabpve the lives of so may poor soldiers on both sides and spend the money on progress of the people than making weapons, all this was too tragic .
Nasra Zaheer April 8, 2012 6:24 pm Note, there are few printing errors. Nasra
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. Mahis April 8, 2012 5:40 pm Are people really fighting over a piece of land over here? No matter who back-stabbed whom in what year, I think we can all agree that no one is innocent here. Except for the ones who are dying because of the decision makers. Also, it’s not like India never ‘back-stabbed,’ if you may, Pakistan. Like I said – no one is innocent. Dear Pakistani soldiers, I pray that Allah forgives all your sins and grant you the highest place in Jannah for trying to protect the ungrateful people, like us, of your country. Ameen.
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. Ravi April 8, 2012 5:19 pm I pray to God Almighty (call Him Allah or Ishwar or Jesus) to give support to the families of the soilders killed. Irrespective of Indian or Pakistani, a life lost is a tragedy.
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. singh April 8, 2012 4:25 pm my brothers from India and Pakistan….pray that we all live in harmony just like our fore-fathers lived before 1947. They all fought side-by-side for the freedom…they all gave life at the battle fronts of 2nd world war in Europe against Nazis…!! We have seen enough blood-shed from both countries after 1947 and slowly learnt that there is nothing greater than forgiveness and love ! Its great to see the politicians from both sides trying hard build the burnt bridges. Long live India and Pakistan !! Long live my beautiful Punjab on both sides of border.
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. kufarooq April 8, 2012 4:12 pm We say salaam to our brave soldires who sacrifice their lives for country. God give them better place in Jannah Shaeed wil never die and always remember in our hearts.
raika45 April 8, 2012 5:44 pm It is easy to say that KUFAROOK sahib.Ask those families that lost their loved ones.And that too to protect unproductive and useless real estate that both nations could have come to an understanding.They could have drawn a boundary in this land pulled back.Just leave a token force that rotates every three months.
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. pillai101 April 8, 2012 2:55 pm Guys…. Look at this way…. Try to imagine the social and economic development that could have happened if both countries would be able to divert the funds and efforts from procuring systems and hardware which in the absence of war will result in useless depreciation and in case war does breakout, unacceptable human and economic costs. Now ask yourself, who gains by keeping the tensions high? Who are the people who rave, rant and stoke this fire…… Where they should have been talking of development, jobs and prosperity!!! Previous generations were slaves to propoganda and a very well managed system of brainwashing with such forces as discussed of earlier bringing up children with an inbuilt hostility to the other country. But you youngsters are smart. You have information and you are intelligent enough to understand what is at stake. Got it guys???
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. samchanright April 8, 2012 2:52 pm BOTH COUNTRIES LEAVE SUCH A PLACE VACANT WHERE NO HUMAN BEINGS CAN SURVIVE Stop killing Human Beings and wasting Money valuable time and other things on places where no normal human life can survive. .
. maheen April 8, 2012 2:39 pm Hello, My heart goes out for the soldiers and their families back home.In September me and my husband were close to K2 and so i think i can better understand.I really pray that we find these brave soldiers and their companions soon. Is it still so difficult to find peace at these majestic mountains ?
Rustam April 8, 2012 5:37 pm May u have a wonderful life ahead. This is the feeling of every one. We are safe and sound because of these brave soldiers. My nephew is serving too in Army and i can feel the pain of all the families. May God help n give them sabr, this can only be said on this heart taking moment.
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. Southindian April 8, 2012 2:12 pm It is army generals and arms suppliers for both sides who are keeping this war going
West Indian April 8, 2012 7:08 pm Sorry Mr. South Indian, I do not like any ill words about the Indian Army !!!. Its because of the Indian Army, that you are alive, otherwise LeT and its ilk would have killed you long back. Having said that, I also want peace between India and Pakistan Jai Hind !!
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. jax April 8, 2012 1:23 pm Desert of ice Reply
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. Ankur April 8, 2012 12:38 pm stop the wars i say…snow or desert, wars can never be justified anywhere.
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. Naeem Javid Muhammad Hassani April 8, 2012 11:44 am More soldiers have died from the weather than combat on the glacier, which was uninhabited before troops moved there. Casualties from sporadic clashes have not exceeded 150 on either side. It is time to end such conflicts and end the difference ASAP
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. amir muneer April 8, 2012 11:34 am We have to think about the condition with India ,we should have to resolve all issues with india .in all over the world all countries work for battlement for their citizens but in india and pakistan both have to much poverty and no good work for citizens .i am very sad when i was listening this tragic news,may ALLAH pak give them a good place in jannat and give us power to work for the country development . amir muneer
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. Alija_MN April 8, 2012 11:30 am Rest in peace! We better take this incident as a initiative to think how to stop this war there which killed thousands from each side…we better find some table talk for this instead of having people under life threats Regards, Alija_MN
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. Babar F. April 8, 2012 11:21 am Pakistan has all the rights to protect it’s highway-to-China. India must give the watch-posts to Pakistan, It has no business Checking on Pak-China friendship.
West Indian April 8, 2012 7:09 pm Babar F. STOP DREAMING !!!
gary April 8, 2012 7:36 pm India has got every right to protect its posts too. Lets not lose focus of talk at this sad moment and pray to god to give strength to the families of soldiers who have died in avalanche. So kindly keep ur pak china friendship issue slightly away. thanks.
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. Kris April 8, 2012 11:01 am Let Pakistani President and India’s president stay there for a week to feel the conditions. We should declare this as war free zone so that let our soldiers live. Reply
maheen April 8, 2012 2:42 pm i agree
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. Sagar Singh April 8, 2012 10:38 am India can’t take such risk of vacating the post. As India already has the example of Kargil where Pakistan back-stabbed us. Nawaz sharif was on talking peace and Pak army was capturing kargil posts. Reply
Kdspirited April 8, 2012 3:10 pm MrSingh you should know that it was India that made the first move on Siachin in 1984 not Pakistan. Please get your facts straight. They moved their forces and tried to take over more when the Siachin war broke out in 1987 and Pakistan Army was able to contain them to where they are now. Reply
Sagar Singh April 8, 2012 3:44 pm I feel you are not enough informed on Siachin itself. It was Pakistan who try to intrude into siachin, India came to know when they came to know about the order of the Ice Jackets by pakistan to the British firm and Indian intelligence came to know about it. Yes, it was Indian forces who advances later in effort to chase Pak army out of region. Here the point is should India leave the region and trust pakistan ? Ans is no,,,,bcoz there are some reasons for it. 1. Pakistan does not have a responsible govt who can take decisions. 2. Pak army is not the one who listens to the democratic govt of Pakistan. 3. Ex is Kargil, where your army captures the land without even informing your democratic elected govt.
pashtun April 8, 2012 4:55 pm dude… its a known fact.. Indian army got there first.. deployed there army on most of the strategic peaks and Pakistan army followed so as to defend the rest of the land from being overtaken.. kindly dont start a hate argument right here now.. peace out!
Rahul April 8, 2012 4:34 pm Kdspirited, b sure abt the facts….dont b in imagination….
hammad April 8, 2012 5:41 pm Rahul whatever kdspirited said he is sure about it as i am but i am pretty sure you don’t know the facts…
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. Santosh April 8, 2012 10:18 am I also think that fighting over siachin is not clever. Both countries should have to make an agreement on this issue because this place has already taken lots of priceless life’s of our soldiers.there are many other important issues in both countries so why are we wasting our money on this place.if both countries will faith upon each other then we can solve our many problems.i also pray to god for safety of those soldiers i my condolence with the family of those soldiers who sacrificed there life in the tough terrain..
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. Lover April 8, 2012 3:09 am This is very unfortunate, but more unfortunate is that India cannot take military from Indo-Pak border. We have already seen miss trust of Pakistan in 2002 Kargil.
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. Sami April 8, 2012 1:05 am It is about time we make a new begining to live together as we lived together for centuries before. I recommened to everyone that they watch the documentary “The Day India Burned”, about the 1947 partition of British India, then ask the question, when will this madness end?!
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. Malik April 7, 2012 11:56 pm I completely agree with comments from Yaseen and Veeran. It is irrational that armies of both sides are investing colossal amount of their budget just to maintain their presence at such high altitude. Both the countries need to realize that there are other issues such as health care and education that require more attention. A recent suicide attempt committed by a young and bright student from Peshawar due to inability to purchase his uniform highlights the prevalent poverty in our society. It is time that we need to act like mature nations and stop fighting like little kids. Reply
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. Shehzad Zafar April 7, 2012 11:43 pm May Allah rescue all of these brave men. Ameen
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. flacklist April 7, 2012 11:32 pm I Agree completely with Yaseen Mirza. Hope both countries bureaucracy acts for peaceful region
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. Monty… April 7, 2012 10:29 pm Hmm…Its not a question of 40 million rupees, its about lives of soldiers…I think India should learn from this incident and provide a safe environment for our soldiers…even by doing research under DRDO if necessary…But no question of withdrawing troops from siachen…It is strategically most important part for India…
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. waqas April 7, 2012 10:27 pm Ya Allah help your slaves as they are stuck in that glacier. Grant their families comfort in this life and unite them with their beloved in Jannah. Ameen
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. Rathore April 7, 2012 8:37 pm Peace in this region is a word on Dictionary & not in the minds of those who are on duty but for what gains for both countries. This Siachin has already taken thousands of lives of humane being or say soldiers of both sides. Perhaps some day soldiers of both sides may consider some formulae for safety from such heavy tolls of lives of both sides. We pray for all of them
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. Mahmood Ahmad Buner April 7, 2012 8:02 pm we salute our brave soldires , they really sacrifice for the Nation. long live Army long live Pakistan
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. oli April 7, 2012 8:00 pm Pakistan and India should stop hating each other and build permanent ties for the development and benefits of all their people. Viewing what’s happening world wide, regional development should be the aim of the countries.
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. Faseeh Minhas April 7, 2012 7:46 pm those who are deployed on this hostile glacier are the real heroes of our nation, may ALLAH keep all of them safe.Pray for long life of those who still alive and trapped there. those who embarrassed Martyrdom are the real blessed people of Almighty.
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. Ravi April 7, 2012 7:41 pm If India withdraws troops, people like Pervez Musharraf will be adventurous enough to start a new Kargil. Given the track record of Pakistani Army chiefs, there will never be pull back from Line of Control.
hammad April 8, 2012 5:52 pm same i can say about India also..if we pull out our troops than you will not stay at your own place instead try to occupy all of the terretaries….
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. taj April 7, 2012 7:23 pm Rest in peace… it is sad indeed that soldiers have to give up their life for irrational decisions made by leaders of both countries. Reply
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. Fahad Meer April 7, 2012 6:37 pm Rest in peace. .
. Veeran April 7, 2012 6:28 pm It is very sad for casuality. At one stage Political leaders take Lunch To gather and other side soldiers from both the county has to sacrfice their Life to protect the country. Who should be blamed for this situation.. when normal situation will be established and Local people from both the country visit easily each other and have normal lunch & dinner to gather? How long People form both the side has to wait to enjoy the life what political leader are enjoying with each other. Veeran
Jaudat April 7, 2012 8:51 pm So true! .
. Usman Naeem April 7, 2012 5:22 pm It is very sad, may Allah Almighty keep all of them alive and we pray for their safe recovery. Aameen .
. Yaseen Mirza April 7, 2012 4:55 pm In my humble opinion both India and Pakistan should act reasonably. They might come under some pact ensuring that none of them will try to enter in their respective territory.Both the country could save the lives of their soldiers and heavy money which is being spent. I think this is the high time to act rationally. Yaseen Mirza
raj shekhar April 7, 2012 7:28 pm Excellent . Both country must withdraw army from Siachen to save the life of soldiers. World is changed . War days are gone.Both india and pakistan MUST stop spending so much on arms.
HWG April 7, 2012 7:37 pm That is welcome. It will be in the interst of both the countries to remove troops and avoid loss of human life. But going by the Kargil LOC experience it will be difficult for India to trust Pakistan once Indian forces are retracted. There have to be some guarantees to India by Pakistan.
Indian April 7, 2012 10:14 pm @Yasmeen, You think we can have any pact with Pak after Kargil where Sharif was greeting Vajpayeejee in Lahore and Pak army was crossing LOC.
Zorba April 7, 2012 10:21 pm There was an understood pact about Kargil heights similar to what you are suggesting here. Musharraf surreptitiously sent our troops to occupy the place and destroyed whatever trust was possible for a long time to come. Then he claimed they were “freedom fighters”. Did Mushy ever pause to consider what our troops who thought they were fighting for their country felt about this? You think this kind of trust is possible now?
Truth April 8, 2012 12:53 am Yaseen the question on Indian side is to make a pact with whom in Pakistan. With the Political establishment or the Pakistan Army? Don’t you know what happened in Kargil when Pakistani armymen intruded into the Indian territory which was unguarded. The political establishment of Pakistan (Nawaz Sharif) later claimed that he was unaware and that the Pakistan Army (Musharaf) had done it.
Mohit April 8, 2012 4:24 am Things could have progressed that way… then Kargil incursion happened. That misadventure in itself was the biggest mistake made by Pakistani Military under Gen. Musharraf.. it will take several years for those wounds to heal.
Mohit April 8, 2012 4:28 am But with all that said.. salute to these brave soldiers and their families for sacrificing their lives for their country. May they see light again in heaven.
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